I'm having difficulty posting but thankfully Scully sussed it out. Having just panicked then installed Chrome and tried posting again I've mistakenly started another thread. Many apologies.
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Does the Christian message fall apart without a literal interpretation of Genesis?
by nicolaou in.
what's the point of jesus if adam & eve did not 'fall' and condemn us all to sin?.
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Tec , deputy dog
If Adam and Eve are just symbols for all mankind then at what point in history did human sin FIRST come about?
Before that event was all humankind sinless? By definition it would have to have been.
So did all humans sin at the same time in one great mass sinning or just some? In which case where are the descendants of those who did not sin?
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What Was Meant By 'Abstain From Blood'?
by headisspinning ini have always been very hardcore about my aversion to blood and have never even considered the possibility that this was merely a dietary restriction.
i always bought into the analogy of a doctor telling a patient to abstain from alcohol... it wouldn't matter whether this individual drank the alcohol or took it intravenously... it would all be in direct contradiction to the doctor's orders to 'abstain' from alcohol.. or the other analogy is to an apple pie... if you weren't to eat the pie, it would not be okay to separate it out into the main parts (or 'components)... ie.
the flour, the apples, the sugar or the cinnamon... if they were taken from that pie, you were eating the pie.. so maybe you can see where the questions popped up for me.
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What the WTS willfully fails to acknowledge is that the Bible uses blood as JUST a metaphor for life as explained here;
To convince others to die for a metaphor is criminal in the extreme. As famously once said
" I WOULD NOT DIE FOR MY RELIGION. MY RELIGION MAY BE WRONG"
The JW religion IS CLEARLY and ABSOLUTELY WRONG,WRONG, WRONG.
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No More Life Story
by Farkel infor reasons i've stated in the window washers thread, i will not write and post any more about my life as a jw.. thank you, "yesidid.
" you're a real gem.. farkel.
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Farkel please continue.
I too assumed that posters here were adults and acted in an adult and responsible way. Unfortunately some have a severe problem with their ego and need it constantly massaged.
Those currently attacking Farkel, and others that spring to mind john doe etc, are best ignored. Just deprive them of the oxygen, attention, they need and crave and one hopes that they will take their rudeness and infantile behaviour elsewhere.
On a public discussion board such as this, this is all one can hope for.
Although older than you I have respect for those both older and younger than myself. That doesn’t mean that I necessarily agree with the views held by them but nonetheless the view I do hold is that courtesy and politeness should be shown to all. If it is not reciprocated it does not affect me, I move on and do whatever I was intending to do anyway. Such rude, possibly also ignorant individuals, do not affect my decisions in the slightest. I hope it will not affect yours.
Those who fail to show such courtesy to their fellow posters reveal more about their own inadequacies than they realise.
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Window Washers
by dontplaceliterature inquestion:.
why do i see so frequently the witnesses referred to as "window washers" on here?
i have been a witness (though only recently "conscious") for my whole life.
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I too made a similar mistake as Farkel. I assumed that the posters here were adults and acted in an adult and responsible way. Unfortunately some have a severe problem with their ego and need it constantly massaged.
Those currently attacking Farkel, and others that spring to mind such as a jondoe, are best ignored. Just deprive them of the oxygen, attention, they need and crave and one hopes that they will take their rudeness and infantile behaviour elsewhere.
On a public discussion board such as this, this is all one can hope for.
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Books by David A. Reed...
by Tuesday injust getting a general consensus, are they helpful at all?
do you know alot of people who have read them?.
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Yes, I've read several of his books. I found them to be most helpful in comparing WT dogma with what most Christian groups believe the Bible actually says.
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Do You Folks Wanna Hear My Story?
by Farkel ini've already written "my story".
i've been "out" for 35 years.
but that is not a story that contains the little stuff.
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Yes, I too am interested. Having left dubland so long ago is altruism the reason that you spend time here. Do you feel that you have recovered from your jw upbringing or are there still remaining issues?
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WTS DECLARES WAR ON ORGANISED CRIME
by still wondering inunder gods government rutherford states that there shall be no more religionists, (except of course rutherford, there's an exception to every rule) no more politicians, no more gangsters.. .
yes, brave rutherford tells "the enemy", those nasty mean gangsters, they ought not to delay any longer but should close their operations even right now.. .
rutherford makes it clear that theres no room in gods kingdom for deceivers, extortionists and organizations that can only survive by blatantly and regularly threatening to make parents childless and/or threatening parents to make their kids orphans and that any day real soon now.. .
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Under gods government Rutherford states that “there shall be no more religionists, (except of course Rutherford, there's an exception to every rule) no more politicians, no more gangsters”.
Yes, brave Rutherford tells "the enemy", those nasty mean gangsters, they ought not to delay any longer but should close their operations even right now.
Rutherford makes it clear that there’s no room in gods kingdom for deceivers, extortionists and organizations that can only survive by blatantly and regularly threatening to make parents childless and/or threatening parents to make their kids orphans and that any day real soon now.
Oops!! Just realized, poor old Rutherford just excluded himself.
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WTS ADVICE FOR YOUNG WOMEN WANTING TO MARRY
by still wondering inwait, speak to deborah first.. .
the upside of this approach is that deborah is a real woman and will be able to give you girls proper advice.. the downside is that you will either need to first find a top rate medium (shes been dead quite a while) or wait for rutherfords god to bring her back from the dead (which rutherford maintains will happen any day real soon now if not even before the convention ends).. you will easily recognise her as rutherford has thoughtfully printed a picture of her in the new and bang up to date children book.. unfortunately if you dont live in the usa you will need to telephone her, which thankfully has recently been invented.
expect to hang on the line a while as she will be very busy playing her agony aunt role for so many jws worldwide all seeking her advice, but rutherford says that it will be well worth the wait.. .
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WAIT, SPEAK TO DEBORAH FIRST.
The upside of this approach is that Deborah “is a real woman and will be able to give you girls’ proper advice”.
The downside is that you will either need to first find a top rate medium (she’s been dead quite a while) or wait for Rutherford’s god to bring her back from the dead (which Rutherford maintains will happen any day real soon now if not even before the convention ends).
You will easily recognise her as Rutherford has thoughtfully printed a picture of her in the new and bang up to date “Children” book.
Unfortunately if you don’t live in the USA you will need to telephone her, which thankfully has recently been invented. Expect to hang on the line a while as she will be very busy playing her Agony Aunt role for so many JWs worldwide all seeking her advice, but Rutherford says that it will be well worth the wait.
